ceiling. they get the problems down the road-- >>> that's the problem -- >> well, joe. that is true. but the point about small business driving the economy. what is the biggest impediment? $1 trillion in new taxes that the president has imposed and also obamacare. let's be honest. the senate democrats don't move without the white house's okay -- >> well, actually i. the president needs to pass a budget and get serious, honestly about the debt and the regulation. he has 6,000 new regulations on the epa web site that i promise are going to hinder small business growth. i agree with you. both parties are to claim. but the president needs to take an honest look in the mirror. >> eric: how do we break this? where do you go for daylight? how do we get rid of the gridlock? >> if i could, thank you. i think we need to look at this in perspective. we know during the bush era, there were more epa regulations passed in the first four years of president obama's tenure. the real issue is, what small busine